A Dose of Stupid v.21

It happens every day. In fact, it is pretty hard to avoid it. There are some things that can only be understood with a slap on the forehead. Things so mind-boggling that one wonders how humans managed to evolve thumbs while being this mentally inept. This instance, it is a double dose.

US immigrant beaten in attack dies:

Jose Sucuzhanay died late Friday at Elmurst Hospital as his mother was en route from Ecuador to see him, spokesman Francisco Moya said. Sucuzhanay, a 31-year-old real estate broker, had been listed in critical condition since the assault early Dec. 7.

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Sucuzhanay (suh-KOO-chen-eye) and his brother Romel, 38, were walking arm-in-arm after a night out when a sport utility vehicle pulled up near them at a Brooklyn stoplight, police said.

Witnesses said they heard the men in the car shouting anti-gay and anti-Hispanic slurs at the brothers. The attackers jumped out of the car and smashed a beer bottle over Jose Sucuzhanay’s head, hit him in the head with an aluminum baseball bat and kicked him, police said. Romel Sucuzhanay was able to get away; the attackers drove off after he returned and said he had called police, authorities said.

I have experienced this a few times with my cousin and my brother. My brother, who is gay, will sometimes wrap his arm around me when we walk. A few times while walking we have been cursed at and called names. My youngest cousin tends to hold my hand. It is a habit from when he was younger. Last year an older woman called us “Fucking faggots” not too far from the “gay” area of the city. Thankfully, we have never been attacked.

What amazes me is not the sheer level of racism and anti-gay sentiments these men showed, but that they randomly attacked two men. The brothers had not spoken to them or bothered them in anyway. So for these men to just assault them for being Hispanic and possibly gay is just astounding. That is not to say I am surprised that some people react this way, only that it is just shocking that it occurred. While I do not support hate crime laws, I do hope that these men are caught and are charged with the absolute maximum. Short of the men being grossly intoxicated or high, there simply is no plausible defense for what these men did and they deserved to spend the rest of their lives in prison.

However, the inanity does not end there. Mandolin offers her opinion about the attack:

However, situations like these do remind me of something else that strikes me as important: Occasionally, I see discussions cropping up about why many men in America often aren’t physically affectionate with their each other. Well. There you go. A man’s being physically affectionate with a brother, or a male friend, isn’t just a violation of taboos about showing femininity. It’s assuming a risk of harassment and violence.

The lives of gay men are more affected by this, of course, in shocking and horrible ways. But the enforcement of masculinity and heterosexuality is bad for many men, gay and straight.

It is amazing when a person who has no knowledge of a certain experience presumes to tell those who actually had that experience what they went through and why it happened.

The slurs and insults are not about being too womanly or expressing femininity. If they were, every man would face the same reaction when he walked down the street arm-in-arm or hand-in-hand with a female. However, no one complains about that. So it is not about men not being able to behave like women. The issue is about the implied nature of gestures. While both are very personal gestures, unfortunately in our society they are associated with sexual intimacy. This is true enough that even small children associate holding hands as a method of showing that they are “with” someone. This notion is not universal. Had the brothers been in India, where two men hold hands is associated with close friendship, they would not have been bothered.

What happened to these two men shows the how pervasive bigotry is and how utterly unreasonable some people are when it comes to anything perceived as “gay.”  However, the assumption about their sexuality had nothing to do with either men behaving in a “feminine” way or their attackers assuming that either brother was not masculine enough (which my brother would quickly attest to as he is in no way feminine nor does he like effeminate males). It is disrespectful and distasteful to take what was done to these men and turn it into a feminist attack on masculinity and heterosexuality. Likewise, it does a disservice to men and boys to portray intimacy as something only associated with femininity.

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9 thoughts on “A Dose of Stupid v.21

  1. I just had to get up and pace around the room. Yesterday we went to see “Milk” I personally am in no mood to tolerate some old woman calling me a faggot at this point. She would end up being afraid to go out in public again, and the whole action would be verbal.

    Mandolin quite simply has no clue how silly it sounds for a feminst to sneer when a man presumes to “define” feminism and then turn around and presume to define masculinity, or pretty much say anything about it at all. When feminists solicit criticism of femininity from men, then maybe their crirticsms of maculinity will begin to have some chance of a hearing.

  2. Nothing can excuse these thugs. But we shall search for their saddening motives. Most heterosexuals are TOLERANT with gays, but few are possibly inconfortable in ACCEPTING this lifestyle as normal, healthy and natural. They may also ressent certain gays for agressively pushing and forcing their “superior lifestyle” on them. Bullies are often insecure and they dramatically overreact.
    This leads to this: can it be possible, like women needs oppressers to validate their status of victims, that deaths like this one can be provoked, then used by the gay movement, to entertain sympathy

  3. John, I highly doubt anyone involved in the gay community would intentionally provoke violence, against themselves or anyone else, in order to use it for sympathy. Some may use this as some did with the Larry King killing, to which I would say shame on them for turning a senseless act of violence into a political mantra. However, most of the gay people I know simply want to be left alone to live their lives. Drawing attention to themselves is the last thing they want to do.

  4. Nothing can excuse these thugs. But we shall search for their saddening deep motives. Most heterosexuals are TOLERANT with gays, but few may be possibly inconfortable in ACCEPTING this lifestyle as normal, healthy and natural. And they have the full right to their opinion. They may also ressent certain gays for agressively pushing and forcing their “superior lifestyle” in their throats. Bullies are often insecure and they dramatically overreact.
    This leads to this: can it be possible, like women needs society to make oppressers to validate their status of victims, that deaths like this one can be provoked, coldly calculated as collateral damages,then used by the gay movement to gather sympathy ?
    A victim group needs victims to roll.

  5. TS, sure my gay friends want to live quiet and peaceful.
    I’ m refering to the California’s gay activists which are quite intolerant on the democratic results of Prop. 8.
    Maybe they should “live and let live” the majority of people who expressed themselves and “dared” to counteract their plans. Maybe they should seek long-term acceptance by playing calm: over there, they show gays are their own best enemies, provoking a possible backlash.
    My quiet and peaceful gay friends have the duty to talk loud to this minority. Or be bullied by a tsunami.

  6. I do not see the connection. Even if every man in the vehicle had been treated horribly by gays before, it still would not explain their assault on two brothers who are not gay.

    Political posturing and poorly managed legal initiatives have absolutely nothing to do with the attitudes some people have about gays and I do not think anyone pushing for being able to attain marriage licenses could be thought as provoking anyone. I would agree that there are issues with pushing acceptance rather than tolerance, but again, I do not see the connection here.

    These men attacked two brothers just because they were Hispanic and walked arm-in-arm. That is simply pure bigotry.

  7. John,

    Prop 8 opponents in California have been quite moderate in their response. Their point is that people in glass houses should not throw stones, and when it comes to calling this or that group of people or this or that lifestyle deviant, that certainly applies to Mormons. And Mormons overwhelmingly funded the Prop 8 campaign, even from out of state, so they are quirte properly the main targets of Mormons themselves are fortunate to be allowed to marry in California in the first place.

    Anyway, what does that have to do a violent physical attack like the one in the post?

    “But we shall search for their saddening deep motives. ”

    Yeah, let’s do that. These are their deep motives:

    1) They are bigots because of their own inadequacies.

    2) They think they can get away with these crimes, so the cowards go ahead with them.

    “They may also ressent certain gays for agressively pushing and forcing their “superior lifestyle” on them. ”

    Can you explain what you mean by “superior lifestyle”?

    Maybe I resent some other people’s superior attitudes too. Maybe I don’t like Southerner traitors saying that I’m not as good an American because I live on the West Coast. maybe I don’t like Fundametlaists sneering down their noses at the rest of us. Maybe I resent people having kids and fouling up the planet. Am I entitled to shoot at trucks that have Confederate flags on them, to burn down Fundie churches, to punch pregnant women in the stomach so they miscarry? Are you really trying to say these vermin had some right to attack these men?

    “Maybe they should “live and let live” the majority of people who expressed themselves”

    You clearly are not clear on the difference between democracy and mob-rule and not clear on the concept of inalienable rights, which is the basis for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. You might just want to get out of my country if you can’t figure it out. Some rights belong to an individual regardless of what the rest of society says or votes on. Civil rights legislation did not give black people their rights, civil rights laws recognized as law and protected those rights, which blacks and all other people have just by virtue of being citizens. No citizens has the right to restrict another person’s life choices because of his, the first person’s, convictions.

  8. TS; I generally agree with you on most things, but not on this one. Mandolin seems to me to be making very valid & sympathetic comments. I wish more feminists would see acknowledge how much men & boys suffer from this kind of gender-policing.

  9. Nop, my problem with Mandolin’s comments was that she tried to tie it in with a feminist argument instead of looking at the situation for what it was. The issue was not the men’s presumed femininity by virtue of them holding hands; the issue was that they were two men holding hands. Likewise, the brother’s race may have played a role in the attack.

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