Chappelle on male rape

I spotted this in a Google alert:

I do not generally find comedic bits about male rape funny, primarily because comedians tend to mock the victims rather than the situation. Chappelle does a little of both, but he makes a few valid points, namely:

It’s not like you ladies get raped there’s no… Society don’t give a fuck about male rape . There’s no hot-line for us. A man get raped you just gotta get up and walk that shit off. Got raped! Caught me slippin! You gotta take that shit to the grave.

It is unfortunately true. In many instance, little sympathy extends to male victims. They often keep it to themselves because no one will take it seriously.

34 thoughts on “Chappelle on male rape

  1. So what are you saying, TS? That by being raped, a man becomes _more like a woman_ and his male privileges get revoked?

    And that by becoming _more like a woman_ a man is instantly seen as loathesome and filthy, because it is women which are seen as loathesome and filthy?

    The blame should be placed squarely upon society’s misogyny!

    (I felt the need to voice the feminist perspective on this issue…)

  2. I actually laughed. Chapelle actually doesn’t treat male rape like a joke. He holds up the mirror and satirizes the bind men are in should they report they have been raped. I could even detect a “Man, you people.” kind of vibe from his facial expressions as they were laughing so hard, thinking he was joking about male rape victims.

    “Walking it off”, yeah it’s the sad truth. Women can get all the support they want and need. Men, well, they’ll just have to suck it up, toughen the pain away, and get on with life. “You were raped? Too bad. That’s life. Don’t worry, be happy.”

    He shoots a sharp stinger in that bit.

  3. “aych

    So what are you saying, TS? That by being raped, a man becomes _more like a woman_ and his male privileges get revoked?

    And that by becoming _more like a woman_ a man is instantly seen as loathesome and filthy, because it is women which are seen as loathesome and filthy?

    The blame should be placed squarely upon society’s misogyny!

    (I felt the need to voice the feminist perspective on this issue…)”

    I’m sorry but how on earth did you get all that out of this post? How does this post mention anything about women being loathsome and filthy? It’s like your not even reading between the lines on this one your just making up your own lines.

    Good Post as usual TS.

  4. Is this a joke? If not, you are a narcissist and a complete idiot.

    “ZOMG? MENZ GET RAPED? WUT ABOUT TEH WIMMINZ?!!?!?!?!?”

  5. Im with you aych’s post is completely out of no where and if thats the real feminist perspective, I dont think I want to friends with them

  6. Well chappells never been known for being politically correct, which just adds to the problem of making male rape little more than a joke.
    Although if you listen to the opinions on ANY comics jokes your a damn idiot. And need to find something more productive to do with your time

  7. I didn’t need this idiot to tell me what I already know. Franky, I couldn’t give two shits about what any stand-up comic has to say about anything.

  8. I tend to agree with that M.

    And yet I have _actually_ seen feminists argue that men only get treated poorly by society when they are seen as too feminine. With their point being that _only women are abused_ and that society views _women_ as loathesome, so men being abused is just a minor appendage to how women get abused.

    So when men get raped, the subject really ought to be about the rape of women. Or that’s how the feminist mind seems to work, at least.

  9. I’ve seen a lot of posts talking about “rape culture”.

    In my hometown, there was a young man who had started a men’s group at his church for male victims of sexual abuse/assault (which I am a part of), and it started out small. Now, interestingly enough, there are a number of minority women who joined in to actually help the male abuse cause, and some for themselves, because they felt more supported at the male rape support group then the groups for women.

    “Rape culture” and all it’s support if you look deeply has it’s focus on White women. And I’m saying this as a White man myself. Most minority females don’t even feel like they can report anything, or frankly speaking, feel welcome into groups for women.

  10. This is a reply to Aych’s comment below mine:

    That’s my experience, as well. This is especially glaring where prison rape is concerned- rape victims in prison are called “bitches” or the rapist’s “wife,” and therefore our society’s willingness to ignore or outright approve of systematic sexual violence against men on a massive scale is really an example of how women are hated and oppressed by men.

    I’ve also seen it used to attack and blame male victims and downplay the relevance of violence against them. The man’s distress is attributed to the fact that he has supposedly been feminized in his own (and society’s) eyes, rather than the actual crime committed against him. The frequent implication (and sometimes explicit statement) is that the victim’s pain is the result of his own supposed sexism against women, so let’s focus on that instead of the actual crime against the victim.

  11. Ah, Madhippy, you really are being starved for an education in history aren’t you.

    Satire/comedy has frequently been the only way for oppressed peoples to find a voice.

    Hang around long enough and you’ll come to understand and appreciate aych for his biting satire and cynicism.

  12. Although if you listen to the opinions on ANY comics jokes your a damn idiot.

    Sometimes the comics are satirists disguising their critique of culture with humor. That said, their opinions are just as valid as anyone else’s.

  13. That’s a welcome development and actually not unsurprising. One aspect of racism in America is defeminization of black women. Nobody has ever treated them like the damsel in distress. Nobody ever whipped up lynch mobs to hang men who raped black women in this country.

  14. Good point Darren. We have a similar situation in Australia with aboriginal women and girls who’ve been victimised. Two centuries of oppression can be very demoralising.

    Fortunately the services, in my state at least, are making a serious effort to bring them into the fold.

  15. Consider the position of the court jester or “fool”.

    The jester had a very important role. He was the only person who could criticise the ruling monarch, and then only because he was considered to be an “idiot”.

    Nevertheless the jester was a common feature of royal courts.

  16. @John…

    Recall TS’s recent post titled Mocking the Victim regarding the de-genitalising of a male figure in the surrounding PR.

    Even those who purport to help seem to want to emasculate the male victim.

  17. If I remember right when people are REALLY oppressed there isnt even comedy to do that. Oppression stems from dictatorship and any good hstorian knows the first two things a dictator does is take the guns and censor the media.
    Plus would you honestly watch “the daily show” on Comedy Central for all your political news, I wouldnt, and I would with Chappelle either, if he is right this one time than good for him, but look at his previous work and you see he isnt really out there to send a message.

    If you want a comedian that REALLY knows something about male abuse by women look up Chris Titus, that guys got stories

  18. Ever now and then you have REAL satirists that have points, but Ive watched Dave’s show he is not a satirist he is a comic. If You dont agree with me Id like you to tell me what was he satiring when he did the “racial draft” skit or the “slow motion” skit or the “Rick James” skit.

    I just choose my sources of information very carefully. Satirist may be ointing out errors in the system, but I my oppinion they are comedians first cause thats there job

  19. I want to ask, is there a clear reason why male rape/abuse goes so unnoticed, if someone is murderered (male or female) there is an equal sence of urgancy to find the culprit and lock them up for good. But why is this untrue for sexual offences, equal prioritizing in society to deal with the problem?

    I sometimes wonder, It seems now more than ever with the advent of cyber bulling and blatent acts of violence being posted on the internet, has the awareness to the bullieing problem really become mainstream (not that it wasnt big before it just made a signifigant jump in support). Is that really the answer to the problem, nobody is going to care about abuse to males unless they see a video of a husband getting mauled by his wife on the internet or worse…
    scary

  20. If I remember right when people are REALLY oppressed there isnt even comedy to do that.

    Then clearly you don’t “remember right”.

    they are comedians first cause thats there job

    I suspect most of them would tell you it was their “calling” rather than their job.

    You think the court jester wasn’t “doing his job”?

    The form of humour isn’t relevant. What matters is that it is a safe means of doing it.

    By the way I get my political news by being directly engaged in the political system. I do not rely upon nor trust the mainstream media for anything.

    Ever now and then you have REAL satirists that have points, but Ive watched Dave’s show he is not a satirist he is a comic. If You dont agree with me Id like you to tell me what was he satiring when he did the “racial draft” skit or the “slow motion” skit or the “Rick James” skit.

    I don’t live in the US so I see mostly different media presentations. Furthermore I’m ambivalent on many issues – as are most – so while I may be aware of them the nuances are beyond my concern.

    Consider that anything you see will only “have points” if the issues dealt with have traction with the viewer.

  21. I agree with you Darren. Look at the Lifetime network. “Television for women”, they say.

    It’s funny how they focus A LOT on crime on that network. But most of the movies and TV shows that deal with crime only tend to portray white women as the damsels in distress.

    They wouldn’t even come close to filming a movie even about a woman whose son was abused…

    If you are a white woman, you are guaranteed to be taken care of when it comes to being a victim. If you are a man, or even a minority woman, forget it.

  22. Dont you think your getting too defencive. My original statement was I didnt trust dave chappelle or comics like him because they arent satirists and they arent politically correct, I admit his “men just have to walk it off” line was a sad truth, but he really isnt an advocate for helping male rape victoms or really anything else for that matter, he is a comic.

  23. I agree with you Darren.

    Actually, you are agreeing with yourself. It took me a moment to catch that because the comments were less hostile than before.

    This blog is not your playground. Since you decided to treat it as such, going so far as to use multiple names, argue with yourself, and change your email address, you are no longer welcome to post here.

  24. Madhippy: “I sometimes wonder, It seems now more than ever with the advent of cyber bulling and blatent acts of violence being posted on the internet, has the awareness to the bullieing problem really become mainstream (not that it wasnt big before it just made a signifigant jump in support).”

    Only half of it is reaching the mainstream and breaking down walls. If you’re a boy who is bullied by boys, then there’s support for you. Same if you’re a girl. You see, same sex bullying is getting immediate attention, or striving for recognition.

    However, if you were a boy bullied by girls, that’s not recognized. Seems they’re only focusing on same-sex bullying and not when the genders cross.

    Oh wait, I forgot. When girls are bullied by boys, there’s tons of support waiting for them. Yeah, that’s the only time when the gender’s cross paths where everyond pays attention.

    But back to my original point: Boy bullied by girls? Man bullied by women? Nope, you don’t get anything except the usual “Ah, just get on with life.”

  25. There are a few exceptions but overall I understand what your saying and I think you are correct.

  26. Madhippy: “There are a few exceptions but overall I understand what your saying and I think you are correct.”

    And it’s sad news indeed.

    Certainly does make addressing these intense feelings I have towards those incidences more difficult. Can’t always do this on my own, you know.

  27. Madhippy,
    I think there’s several reasons, but a big one is that men and boys are often seen as sexually tainted, bestial, or “dirty” simply by virtue of being men. This is pervasive in both traditionalist and feminist talk about men. Feminists will often remark on the fact that there is no term for “promiscuous man” with a connotation as harsh words like “slut” and “whore,” but that’s in large part because people would think of calling a man unchaste as redundant- it’s already taken for granted that men are sexually bad, no need to point it out in specific cases.

    As a result, people don’t think of sexual violence as something that can hurt a man. Women are thought of as naturally pure and sexually innocent and passive- thus, attacking a woman sexually is seen as damaging her. Men are seen as already being sexually dirty, so attacking a man sexually doesn’t seriously harm him. I think a lot of people implicitly treat raping a man like throwing dirt on a big pile of dirt- adding more dirt doesn’t make a dirt pile any dirtier than it was before. In the case of female perpetrators, there is an added problem- since they are seen as sexually pure, people can’t imagine a woman using sex to attack someone, or her male victim actually being harmed by such an attack.

  28. You know when you said “boys are often seen as sexually tainted, bestial, or “dirty” simply by virtue of being men. This is pervasive in both traditionalist and feminist talk about men” it made me think, things like movies and modern television seem to encourage men to not only be seen in this way but also to act out in this way. Because its not true if you said there arent any boys that arent “taint”, I see them at school all the time, but there is this theme of not trusting boys even the most chaste ones with being able control themselves which is wrong.

    I dont think that “Women are thought of as naturally pure and sexually innocent and passive- thus, attacking a woman sexually is seen as damaging her” is necessary ture in most cases. A parent may look at their teenage daughter and see an inocent little girl and cannot see passed that, but in local schools and even other parents looking at other girls can point out the unchastly girls.
    And as I said above men themselves believe that teenagers are all sex fiends which might be because of the media, there memories of there childhood, and the fact that for 1 in 7 teeanage boys its probably true. So men and women dont trust boys with being chaste and will only feel sympathetic toward women

  29. It has little to do with movies and television. There is a history stemming out of the Victorian Era that paints all males as but one step from brutes. Without a grand amount of “civilizing” males cannot control themselves. Likewise, females were painted as naturally pure and innocent, thus making them prone to silly and immature behavior, which in turn requires them to be protected. The advent of feminism did not change these ideas so much as it changed the source the ideas come from. In feminism women are pure by virtue of being oppressed and men are brutes by virtue of being male.

    When coupled with the social assumptions that teenage boys (but not girls) are all sex fiends, that girls are more mature and sociable, and that males are always able to protect themselves, both older views and modern views collide to create a situation in which sexual violence against boys and men gets ignored, mocked, or trivialized, especially if committed by a woman.

  30. But I don’t think everyone sees women as innocent. Ill bet any man that has ever been with a women knows that women aren’t all that goody goody. They may attract more sympathy from everyone because they seem frail and defenseless compared to the big muscular man.

    But I really believe the idea is perpetuated by media using a sex crazed teen for their teenage boy stereotype and this makes some boys believe it is a rite of passage to have sex and a status symbol to how often they can “get it”.

    PS Victorian era? I’m no intellectual (and neither is the majority of the world) but I don’t think everyone is really factoring in art of there opinions on male; female dynamics. and you may be overthinking things

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