A Dose of Stupid v34

It happens every day. In fact, it is pretty hard to avoid it. There are some things that can only be understood with a slap on the forehead. Things so mind-boggling that one wonders how humans managed to evolve thumbs while being this mentally inept. Case in point:

Prostitution is rape-for-payment.

An actual feminist named Saurs made this rather amazing pronouncement, which received blogger Amanda Hess’s support and encouragement:

From what I can tell, the concept of a human alpha man is borrowed from the (equally dubious) ethological concept: alpha dudes earn their status by kicking lesser dude’s assess, taking charge of their myriad women, I guess, and regularly engaging in bloodsport to prove their alphaness. If we translate that into real-world terms, alpha dudes are hyper-aggressive morons (probably Promise Keepers as teenagers) who purchase rape from prostitutes and possess an MBA, or summat.

Do not worry. I cannot parse the above statements either. The double rant (perhaps Saurs felt so good she clicked submit before she finished) gives Glen Beck’s rants a funny for their money. Perhaps the reason Hess and other feminists agree with is because they did not make past the first few sentences. It is difficult to imagine that anyone who read this:

Chivalry is necessarily distancing, necessarily widens the supposed gap between men and women, male and female experience; it assumes that a man is incapable of physically loving a woman he respects, and it assumes that women, who cannot respect a passive man, need to be firmly taken in hand. Genuine understanding and non-sexual affection are impossible in chivalric relationships, because such relationships encourage both participants to remain vague with one another. Women become more mysterious, their motivations more enigmatic, their charms more exotic, as they are conceived of more deeply as enemies needing to be conquered, controlled, or vanquished. Hate and resentment begin to fester in the breasts of men. They begin to feel entitled to their just rewards, and justified in their violence towards women who fail to cooperate.

This is where chivalry of old meets our modern conception of chivalry; within both, male violence functions to correct and punish those who won’t participate, or who grievously fail to fulfill expectation. Male violence is a palpable threat and can erupt at any time. Therefore, women and other lesser creatures need protection from men by men. Men who protect women are rewarded with temporary or permanent possession and use of their bodies. Not without coincidence, men who are violent toward women are also interested in, and sometimes succeed, in obtaining use and possession of women’s bodies. Sex is the inevitable function of women; chivalry affords a woman the “empowering” “choice” to decide what manshe’s going to have sex with, maybe, sometimes, if she’s lucky, if she’s the right caste, color, or class. All other women, the 99.9 percent who haven’t earned the title of “lady,” also get to be fuck-toys, but without the flowers, door-opening, and studious efforts by ultra-earnest dudes to commit their purity, beauty, and virginity to decidedly crap art.

would actually agree with it.

That said in honor of Saurs grandiose use of rape, I propose a new law in her name.

Saurs’s Law: As an online discussion between feminists grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving male-on-female rape approaches one.

77 thoughts on “A Dose of Stupid v34

  1. I was just thinking about what she would say about a friend of mine who was raped by his mother regulary between the ages of 9 – 13?

    Or the guys that to use a societal term “cougar” employees to be their escort for the night?

    I agree that many women do get forced into prostituition against their wishes. I’m not sure thats a male problem though as many of the women who are forced into it are done so by their mothers, sisters, aunties…etc.

    It’s about time society woke up to the fact that abuse is not a gender issue, its an issue of broken humanity struggling for identity.

  2. Male violence is a palpable threat and can erupt at any time. Therefore, women and other lesser creatures need protection from men by men.

    *sigh*

    What a load.

  3. That’d be Saurs’s Law, chum.

    It seems I’ve sullied the good name of rape, apparently, by profanely associating it with prostitution and prostituted women.

    Craig Benno, I’d say your friend’s mother was and is, unequivocally, a rapist. Of course.

    What does “societal term” mean?

  4. I agree that many women do get forced into prostituition against their wishes. I’m not sure thats a male problem though as many of the women who are forced into it are done so by their mothers, sisters, aunties…etc.

    Well, men are the ones raping most prostitutes. So it’s kind of a problem.

  5. hmmm I find it embaressing when I am out with my family and get accosted by a lady asking if she can provide me with services……..

  6. I have a blog post scheduled for next week that might apply here. It talks about a study done of college age women. Here is the blurb:

    For example, in a large survey of college-aged women,109 while almost all of respondents had at some point initiated sexual contact with a male, their initiatives often were not benign. More than 30% of the subjects admitted getting their partners drunk or stoned to have sex, just under 30% admitted having taken advantage of a teenager, 28% admitted having threatened physical force, and about 25% admitted having obtained sex by abusing their position of authority.110

    109 Peter B. Anderson, Women’s Motives for Sexual Initiation and Aggression, in SEXUALLY AGGRESSIVE WOMEN: CURRENT PERSPECTIVES AND CONTROVERSIES 79-93 (Peter B. Anderson and Cindy Struckman-Johnson eds., 1998). His sample was composed of 461 undergraduate women volunteers in New York,New Jersey, and New Orleans. All students were enrolled in courses on human sexuality. Id. at 87.

    110 Id. at 88-89. Note that 20% admit having used physical force to get sex, and 9% admit using a weapon.

    I would also point to http://www.female-offenders.com/ and the hundreds of studies, papers, etc on that site that show that abuse is human issue rather than gender issue.

  7. That’d be Saurs’s Law, chum.

    No, Saurs’ is appropriate because it ends in a ‘z’ sound.

    It seems I’ve sullied the good name of rape, apparently, by profanely associating it with prostitution and prostituted women.

    No, like most feminists you abuse the term rape (which apparently only applies to female victims) in an attempt to sully the good name of men. That you used the prostitution of women (because apparently men and boys are never prostituted) is incidental.

    Well, men are the ones raping most prostitutes. So it’s kind of a problem.

    That was not the conclusion you initially drew. Your initial statement equated the prostitute of women with rape, i.e. men who have sex with female prostitutes are actually raping those women.

  8. No, Saurs’ is appropriate because it ends in a ‘z’ sound.

    However, you wrote Saur’s.
    Also, as I am not Jesus or a saint or whatever, Saurs’s is grammatically correct.

    rape (which apparently only applies to female victims) in an attempt to sully the good name of men.

    I’ve never implied that men can’t be raped. I’ve actually stated above, in your very blog, that a young man who was raped by his mother was a rape victim. How much clearer do you want it, dude?

    Your initial statement equated the prostitute of women with rape, i.e. men who have sex with female prostitutes are actually raping those women.

    Men don’t have sex with prostitutes. They pay them to rape them. Yes, you drew the correct conclusion based on exactly what I wrote. Cheers!

  9. However, you wrote Saur’s.

    Thanks for the correction. Grammatically speaking, words that end in ‘s’ but sound like ‘z’ do not have a ‘s’ after the apostrophe.

    I’ve never implied that men can’t be raped. I’ve actually stated above, in your very blog, that a young man who was raped by his mother was a rape victim. How much clearer do you want it, dude

    Your initial use of the word implied that you were speaking about only about females. That you acknowledged male victims when directly asked about them does not demonstrate that you actually think males can be raped.

    Men don’t have sex with prostitutes. They pay them to rape them. Yes, you drew the correct conclusion based on exactly what I wrote. Cheers!

    Then your complaint is moot. You admittedly equate men paying for sex with rape.

  10. I want to establish something basic here. Are you saying that there is no such thing as a woman consensually engaging in sex work?

  11. No its actually worse. Not only are those men raping the women that pay them for sex but they are also robbing those poor women who have no agency or free will.

  12. Well, then, by all means, let me clear that right up: anyone can be raped. Men, women, children.

    Both men and women can rape. Many men and women do rape other men and women, and children, and so forth.

    Men and women who pay prostitutes for “sex” are raping those prostitutes, whether those prostitutes are men, women, children, transgendered, transsexual, or queer.

    There is no such thing as non-coercive prostitution. Prostitution is coercive. Coercive sex is rape. The end.

  13. It’s not uncommon to hear that prostitution is rape.

    I was listening to a debate on NPR, and they had a number of feminists (including Kitty MacKinnon) claim exactly that. As much as liberal feminists say they don’t like MacKinnon, they seem to never tell her to STFU.

  14. Your understanding of the grammar is incorrect. Possessives formed from proper nouns retain the “ess,” always. See “Forming possessions” under “Word formation” in The American Heritage Book of English Usage, p 241; “Apostrophe 2” in The Columbia Guide to Standard American English, pp 35-6; and “2.2.7. Apostrophes” in MLA Handbook for Writers of Research Papers, 5 ed, pp 61-62.

  15. Heh!

    I just love how feminists claim to speak for all women… and if 90% of women don’t agree? That means they’re suffering from false consciousness and need their intellectual-superiors to speak for them. Feminists always have the right answers, even when 90% of women don’t dance to their tune.

  16. There is no such thing as non-coercive prostitution. Prostitution is coercive. Coercive sex is rape. The end.

    While some prostitutes work for pimps or madams, quite a few work on their own. Are those prostitutes also coerced into it or can they make a conscious decision to have sex for money? What about escorts? Are they coerced into the trade as well?

  17. Consciously making a decision does not entail or disprove coercion. Consciousness is irrelevant. We all possess consciousness.

    I’m not a feminist 101 resource, and I certainly don’t believe you’re asking those questions in good faith. As you’ve been over this ground before, elsewhere, with many a radfem back in the blog we’ve in common, I’ll refer you to those discussions. Cheers.

  18. But it took people here to point it out. That’s the difference.

    Would you subscribe to this belife on your own in your own space? This is the question.

  19. Well:

    We can see the Saurs has issues.
    She doesn’t get to speak for all women.
    What arrogance.

    Clarence

  20. To point what out, dude? That men can be raped? You actually believe you’re the first folk to conceive of and voice the notion that men can be victimized by women and by other men? Sorry to state the obvious, but feminists don’t deny any of that, and in “our own spaces,” we discuss male victims of sexual, physical, and emotional abuse all of the time, and it doesn’t hurt us or wound our egos to do so.

    At any rate, you gentleman are asking me to reveal top-secret shit that the feminazi cabal that runs this country would, if they found out, literally eat my balls over, metaphorically speaking, of course, because I have ovaries (which aren’t nearly as interesting as balls, I grant you). Anyhow, as we’re locked in mortal battle for all eternity, and all, I can’t really be giving away classified information to The Enemy. Which is what we call MRAs down our way. It’s a little like a hobbit hideaway you’ve seen in those Rackham illustrations, but with more man-hating pamphlets and unneutered cats stashed around.

  21. Saurs, I wonder what kind of work you do to support yourself, and whether you consider it consensual, and whether an impartial third party would consisder it consensual, and how that differs from prostitition.

    Is it you position that women can never have consensual sex with men? Is it you position that no person can engage in sex for money consensually?

  22. It is true that in many instances women and girls are forced into prostitution. Many girls in some countries are under 10. It even happens in our own developed western countries where girls come over here with the promise of jobs or a pathway to study and are forced to work in sweat shops and even prostitution. Many of these girls are raped. They are forced to go into it against their will.

    In some African countries young baby girls kidnapped and are raped because of the myth that it will cure aids.

    All of these practices are abominable. It needs to be stamped out. I know many men and women who are actively involved in stamping out these practices and I support their ministry to do so.

    I have read a few newspaper articles where young women go into prostitution because it will make them a heap of money quickly and give them a so called head start in life. Many have made what they consider an intelligent decision to do so.

    On a personal level I’m not a huge fan of voluntary prostitution either. I think it demeans humanity into being a commodity. This view point works from both sides.

    A person see’s a male / female selling themselves and for a brief moment in time aquires their services. The male / female prostitute sees the person as a commodity also in that they are not a person as such… they are a customer whom they are providing goods for.

    The whys and ifs about this is a big debate and worthy of its own topic. For some its not about the sex, its about touch. For that brief moment they feel afirmed and wanted and not rejected. For others its a power play where they see sex as part of their success and that they can buy what ever they want when every they want. For others there can be a lot of peer group pressure and for others addictions.

    Yet to say that ALL MEN RAPE prostitutes is a strawman arguement. The same could be said that ALL WOMEN are guilty of raping men / boys because of what some women may do.

    Before you shout and say thats not what you said… To say that every prostitute is raped by a man needs to be explored. It could mean your saying a number of things.

    1.) Every time a prostitute is paid for their services they are raped.

    2.) Every prostitute goes into prostitution because they were raped by a man and because of this deningration and lack of self worth they go into the sex trade.

    3.)You consider every man a rapist because of prostitution, even though many men wouldn’t consider going to one.

    To make either of these an absolute would be a big mistake. For each of these 3 statements, man could be replaced by women.

    As to your question Saur about “Societal” I’m not sure if this is a true word or not. It’s one I have made up to discribe what society believes / society influences etc.. I think it was the US president Roosvelt who said, its a boring person who can’t make their own words up.

  23. Jim, this is a question I have always wondered: If it is the case that prostitution is not consensual because it means that women are “forced” to work due to the need for money, then almost all of the work that men do is non-consensual as well.

    But, hey, hating on men is way more rewarding than logic.

  24. Consciously making a decision does not entail or disprove coercion. Consciousness is irrelevant. We all possess consciousness.

    Consciously making a decision implies volition, i.e. a person knowingly and willfully decided to do something. If someone consciously decides to become a prostitute, it implies that person do so of their own free will. My question is whether you think a person can decide to become a prostitute of their own free will.

    Sorry to state the obvious, but feminists don’t deny any of that, and in “our own spaces,” we discuss male victims of sexual, physical, and emotional abuse all of the time, and it doesn’t hurt us or wound our egos to do so.

    No, feminists do not. Feminists barely mention abuse violence about boys and men, and when they do it is primarily to diminish, downplay, and deny the experiences of those male victims and the prevalence of violence against boys and men. If you have some evidence of feminists discussing male victims “all the time” I would love to see it because none of the popular or prominent feminist blogs bring the topic up often, and they are particularly remiss to acknowledge female-perpetrated violence.

  25. “On a personal level I’m not a huge fan of voluntary prostitution either. I think it demeans humanity into being a commodity. ”

    All labor for pay is commodification. I fail to see why sex work is different form any other kind of work. I have never seen the case made convincingly that it is.

    “A person see’s a male / female selling themselves and for a brief moment in time aquires their services. ”

    The use of the term “selling themselves” to describe prostitution is inaccurate to the point of mendacity. At most they are renting themselves out since the transaction is not permanent.

    And it is reductionist to reduce a person’s self to their sexual function. So the formulation is borderline offensive. On top of which is straight up offensive to actual chattel slaves who really are bought and sold – to this day – as offensive as the use of the term “cahttel” to describe the status of 19th century white women in marriage.

    But don’t see any indication in any of Saurs’s rhetoric that evinces any real concern for prsotitutes or sex workers or whatever we want to call the actual individuals involved in the business. What I see is a bunch of sanctimonious hatred for any form of male sexuality fastening on this particular expression as a handy point of attack, all tarted up as high-minded moral fervor. It’s a trite, old, cheap trick and it’s sad that people are still gullible enough that shysters like Saurs can get any play with it.

  26. She still has some valid pints.

    I like this bityof analysis:

    “Male violence is a palpable threat and can erupt at any time. Therefore, women and other lesser creatures need protection from men by men.”

    except that she lets it drop – surely the answer to violence is self-defense.

    But I get the impression that she is against chivlary. That puts her on common ground with the MRAs over at Spearhead and elsewhere, so that is a basis for discussion. However it sort of cancels out her argument, because without chivalry there is no reason for man as a class to care about what haoppens to women as a class, including rape of women. So I can’t really see where she’s going with that.

    Or maybe she means that violence and predation are bad, bad, bad and should just go away – either through legislation, which would require enforcement – more chivlary – or by really concentrated wishful thinking and positive, good, clean thoughts ala “social justice” or some such social construct.

  27. Craig, you argument is flawed. You qualifying humans characteristics into being a social subject, but ONLY with prostitution. I don’t mind the argument of the self being a social subject, but that argument constitutes writing a book or a thesis. However, it has to be said that feminism uses Foucault’s idea’s and incorporates into their own intellectual discipline. But let me point out why your argument is bad.

    Your point is how social forces by social institutions of people are hurting, kidnapping women, and children. You also point out the social myth of if a men rapes women and girls, he is cured by aids.

    In some African countries young baby girls kidnapped and are raped because of the myth that it will cure aids…I have read a few newspaper articles where young women go into prostitution because it will make them a heap of money quickly and give them a so called head start in life. Many have made what they consider an intelligent decision to do so.

    But then you say:

    “On a personal level I’m not a huge fan of voluntary prostitution either. I think it demeans humanity into being a commodity. This view point works from both sides.”

    The problem is how you take a reductionist point of view of the self. For instance, if the self goes into prostitution, and therefore means being a commodity, why are other social acts individuals do are not being a commodity? Let’s say athletics, or ANY sport. Both use their body to create labour, both use it towards social institutions and social activities. Are you trying to say the consciousness is a subjective, and a product of the social, culture impact upon the self?

    But if you reduce the self into being a subject of society, I would have to write an essay on subjective/objective relationship to say why you are wrong (there is where you argument seems to be going). And unless you understanding phenomenology, some western philosophy, sociology and psychology. It can be useless to do so. But you can be like Saurs and make that judgment, by making ignorant statements like this one:

    “Consciously making a decision does not entail or disprove coercion. Consciousness is irrelevant. We all possess consciousness.”

    Let me put a forward, but saying oh my god, haven’t you read any feminist theory books at all?

    And how can you say consciousness is irrelevant? I find that funny coming from a feminist, whose intellectual discipline on this issue comes from Michel Foucault’s idea of the self. Especially on the idea of POWER.

  28. Off topic here, but the following story is on the front page of the NewZealand Herald today:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10652961

    It’s a background story on a male dancer who is enjoying some minor celebrity at the moment. He talks about how he was sexually abused by a woman from the age of 11, how he was coached, how the situation developed, how she threatened him and how he eventually escaped her. He also describes the events that led to him reporting her to police, how they ‘failed to see a crime here’, and how she finally got 5 years imprisonment.

  29. Hi Alex.

    I wasn’t siding with a feminist viewpoint. What I was doing is making a factual statement about what can and does happen regarding many cases of prostitution.

    If we are going to make a stand against a lie, we need to do it with truth and not 1/2 truths. Otherwise our foundation will fail.

    I then made a personal comment about how I don’t like prostitution. As a father, husband, son, cousin, nephew and friend I wouldn’t like my family to be involved in it. Nor would I like it to be such a recognised industry that my daughter, wife or mother etc could be forced to seek work in such an industry if the government said you need to find work and they couldn’t find any other suitable work.

    Again I am viocing my personal opinion.

    MRC I made a post on my blog about your link. Thanks for providing that.

  30. @ Craig:

    “Nor would I like it to be such a recognised industry that my daughter, wife or mother etc could be forced to seek work in such an industry if the government said you need to find work and they couldn’t find any other suitable work.”

    So it’s okay if your father, brother or sons do?

    Is there any particular reason for this double standard?

  31. certainly i wouldn’t want my father’ sons’ brothers etc either. good point Typhyonblue…. It was an oversite on my behalf… If you follow my blog you will see I am very much against abuse against men.

  32. Feminist stupidity is so perfectly encapsulated in the idea that by hiring a prostitute you’re paying to rape them. That’s like saying that business owners who hire people for shitty jobs are paying to enslave them. Why on earth would someone pay the person they’re raping? Why not just, you know, rape them? It’s completely non-sensical, but that’s the whole point. Making these bullshit claims only serve the purpose of separating the true feminists and possible male-sympathizers.

    Don’t believe for a second that this Saurs gives a flying fuck about women who rape men by paying them for sex. She knows very well that, at least in mainstream opinion, prostitution involves primarily men paying women for sex, so saying that she believes male prostitutes are also selling rape only serves the purpose of preventing claims of hypocrisy while not interfering with the goal of making sure people knoes that rapes happen to all kind of womons alls the times now!@^OMG! The moment someone brings up male prostitution in a Very Important Discussion about rape, you just wait for shitstorm that will occur.

  33. And have you noticed that feminists, when “debating” with men they disagree with, always refer to them as “dude?” It’s like they’re only comfortable with discussing issues with opponents as long as their responses are glazed with a thick layer of condescension.

  34. Feminist stupidity is so perfectly encapsulated in the idea that by hiring a prostitute you’re paying to rape them.

    This skirts very close to being an ad hominem. Attack feminist ideas, not feminists themselves.

    Why on earth would someone pay the person they’re raping? Why not just, you know, rape them?

    The rapist might feel guilty, they might rationalize that the act was not rape since it was paid for, they might consider it an equal exchange, or might simply think they are being nice by paying the victim. It is something I have experienced firsthand, so I am sure that some people who rape others actually do attempt to pay off the victim. However, I agree that comparing prostitution with rape is egregious.

  35. In the situations you’re describing, the rapist is paying the victim after the rape has already occurred. That’s not prostitution, that’s restitution. Saurs is claiming that prostitution, as it actually occurs, where a person offers money to another person for sex and that person accepts, is paying for rape. Why would someone intending to rape another person make sure that there’s some financial agreement preceding it? It’s completely nonsensical.

    “This skirts very close to being an ad hominem. Attack feminist ideas, not feminists themselves.”

    An ad hominem is not simply an attack on someone. It’s an attack meant to indicate that an argument is wrong because of some characteristic of the arguer. I wasn’t saying feminists are stupid therefore prostitution is not paying for rape. I was saying that statement was a perfect example of feminist stupidity because, one, it completely ignores the way people actually behave and, two, the whole purpose of the statement is to establish feminist credentials.

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  37. Saurs, your last comment is a complete disgrace to feminists everywhere just from sheer idiocy and lack of research. In most educated western nations, rape is defined as; “The forceful penetration of an orifice with a penis or other objects”. Simple logic dictates very few rapists are female from its definition.

    Women cannot rape men through normal vaginal intercourse, but men can. In addition men have the advantage through rape culture. Statistics point out that 99% of men are rapists anyway. Women raping men are near nonexistent compared to men raping females, and shouldn’t be given any attention until the problem is reduced to near even levels, if it should ever be addressed at all. Its a victimless crime really. Men do not suffer the same emotional trauma from a forced sexual encounter as women do. (They don’t possess the same emotional depth as women.) Men who were raped(LOL) should count their blessings and be grateful since its more than they deserved.

  38. Fair answer. There are lots of industries I would not want a loved one forced into. Sweatshop work in Vietnam or coastal China comes to mind immediately, but there are others. Coal mining in general, but espcially in China.

    What is so espeically heinous about the sex industry? Is sex work so degrading that it is worse than physically dangerous work? And yes, though sex work can be dangerous, it hardly rates with many others when it comes to risk of injury or death.

  39. Christina79 you are the reason i love feminists:)

    Statistics point out that most sexual encounters are consensual,men raping women are near nonexistent compared to men having consensual sex with women and perhaps shouldn’t be given any attention until the problem is reduced to near even levels, if it should ever be addressed at all.

    I mean rape is a victimless crime,sex is a natural act and it is only due to the womens lack of control when it comes to her emotions that she makes it a big deal..hey some females even feel robbed/violated if a door is opened for them by a man its a wonder they make it through the day at all.

    Women are drawn to femanism for many reasons, the ones who were drawn out of hate and a sense of weakness are easy to spot..you know the ones who would laugh and enjoy hearing of a man suffering an event which in there own view would be an ordeal for a female and should never take place.

    Of course with my above comments i am being sarcastic and i am highly amused by what you have said how ever rape is a serious issue. One reason there are so few female rapists is that women with the desire to rape do not stand a chance when it comes to using force to carry out the act, your options are limited mostly to intoxicating the man and forcing sex on to him which most of the time a man will just view as a shag from a desperate women.

    Some men would be effected and to laugh at a man being raped pretty much puts you on the same level as a male rapist,but that is your choice i am sure you traveled a rough path to get to that low level.

    As for Prostitution being rape-for-payment i give females more credit than feminism. If a women decides to do some thing let her stand on her own two feet and do it even if you do not like what she is doing.. it makes feminism look like a joke that you go to such lengths to make excusses for women who are doing things you cant understand or approve of.

    Some women are sluts and love it,they do not have the hang ups you have and they do not cripple when a man opens a door for them..they love sex and they earn 1000″s doing it.

    Others are “forced” to do it because of there economic situation,perhaps next time some one robs a bank they can get away with it by saying they decided to do it but the responcibility can not be placed on them because they needed the money?It was the feds fault!

    Feminist need to take a step back and stop trying to take the power of choice away from women,telling them what and who to be because it suits your idea of what is right.

  40. Wow Christina79, it wasn’t rape when a woman drugged me, forced an erection and then mounted me against my will while I couldn’t resist or consent? Unbelievable.

    Just because a dictionary told you so? Sorry, but many states no longer legally use such rape apologist language as you presented above.

    The woman who did that to me raped me and I will continue to talk about it no matter how much you insist I shouldn’t.

    My PTSD is real. My fear of being alone in a closed room with a woman I don’t know is real. My disgust at your rape denial is real.

    She raped me. You can say otherwise all day long if you wish, but RAINN, MaleSurvivor and all the other major, legitimate and useful support networks for survivors recognize females as capable of vaginally raping men.

    Apparently you know better. Wow. Just. Wow.

    The level of hatred, rape denial and victim blaming is just unbelievable. Of course, your posting could be facetious, in which case, ignore my triggered and angry response please.

  41. @ DC:

    One reason there are so few female rapists is that women with the desire to rape do not stand a chance when it comes to using force to carry out the act, your options are limited mostly to intoxicating the man and forcing sex on to him which most of the time a man will just view as a shag from a desperate women.

    According to:

    http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/ID45-PR45.pdf

    Men _are_ physically forced into vaginal sex at similar rates to women.

    So either we need to re-evaluate women’s ability to use physical violence to get what they want(which is an excellent rebuttal to a lot of ‘weaker sex’ rhetoric) or… hmm… I don’t think there is an ‘or’.

  42. The statistics linked on the right side of this page prove all your assertions wrong, as do all the posts made on this blog about sexual violence against males. Making a comment in order to provoke an reactionary response does not do anyone any good. Assuming you are a feminist, your comment can and likely will be used by someone to demonstrate that feminists do not care about male victims, downplay and deny sexual violence against males, and mock male victims’ pain. While I am not one to defend feminists, I will say that your comment is a complete disgrace to feminists everywhere just from its sheer idiocy and lack of research.

  43. One reason there are so few female rapists is that women with the desire to rape do not stand a chance when it comes to using force to carry out the act, your options are limited mostly to intoxicating the man and forcing sex on to him which most of the time a man will just view as a shag from a desperate women.

    That is not necessarily true. Women who rape often make up for their lack of physical strength by using weapons. They also have a host of social norms working on their side that would prevent men from fighting back. A man being sexually assaulted by a woman might not fight back because the woman could easily claim he attacked or tried to rape her. Likewise, men may be bewildered by the experience and fail to respond at all. We lack information about how women prey on men because so few men who are raped by women come forward.

  44. Oh dear. I’m now feeling some sympathy for Saurs. I can’t begin to imagine how debilitating it must be to have Christina79’s support on any issue.

    Dumb and dumber. The blind leading the blind. Watch and learn as one absurd notion leads to another, each trying to outdo the other in it’s inanity.

  45. UnderAnAssumedName,

    I’m inclined to agree that “Christina79” is just screwing with us, but frankly the only giveaway is stylistic: Too many straightforward declarative sentences. Actual feminists invariably douse their attacks on male victims or people who try to encourage sympathy and support for them with enough jeering sarcasm and mocking faux-leetspeak to choke a horse.

  46. “Statistics point out that 99% of men are rapists anyway.”

    This statement brings to light a valid issue. Various people will twist statistics, or try, to make them say what they want without explaining them. For example the one listed above. If you only use the definition of rape as provided by that poster AND only look at stats that come from convicted offenders that were convicted of rape you get a distorted view.

    The truth is that the number varies widely depending on a number of things. A few examples:

    Studies over the past two decades on lesbian sexual violence show a range from a low of five percent to a high of 57 percent of respondents claiming they had experienced attempted or completed sexual assault or rape by another woman, with most studies finding rates of over 30 percent.

    One in six adult men reported being sexually molested as children, and — in a surprise finding — nearly 40 percent of the perpetrators were female, a new study found.

    According to a major 2004 study commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education – In studies that ask students about offenders, sex differences are less than in adult reports. The 2000 AAUW data indicate that 57.2 percent of all students report a male offender and 42.4 percent a female offender with the Cameron et al. study reporting nearly identical proportions as the 2000 AAUW data (57 percent male offenders vs. 43 percent female offenders).

    Or how about this quote from someone highly qualified in this area. Someone who was the recipient of the 2008 Outstanding Mental Health Professional Award from the Indiana Coalition Against Sexual Violence.:

    When our society denies that sexual abuse occurs by women we deny their victims the support they need to report this trauma and to seek help in their healing. We also aid the female offenders who commit this traumatic crime in not seeking the help they need to stop their offending. Tragically, through this cultural denial, we also allow the crime of sexual abuse by female offenders to continue to the children they offend against today and we deny thousands of children who were their past victims the support they need to be believed. – http://www.female-offenders.com/resources.html

  47. “In most educated western nations, rape is defined as; “The forceful penetration of an orifice with a penis or other objects”.”

    The provincialism of the British! James, what it is quoting is not some dictionary definition of rape but British law, which it ignorantly thinks is the norm throughout Europe, which this little racist equates with “educated”. That law is one of many examples of the genrral gender bigotry and bacwardness of British law in matters of rape, as well as in family law and many other areas.

  48. @Jim

    This just shows how uneducated you are on the matter. Most educated nations use this definition, not just Britain(Though I was unaware they used it as well.) I actually took the definition straight from the U.S. Justice department which states:

    “Rape – Forced sexual intercourse including both psychological coercion as well as physical force. Forced sexual intercourse means vaginal, anal or oral penetration by the offender (s).”

    Also;

    “The U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics estimated that 91% of U.S. rape victims are female and 9% are male, with 99% of the offenders being male.”

    Its a simple fact that women cannot rape men with vaginal intercourse no matter how much you kick and scream for mommy government to change the definition of the word for you.

    @The rest of you

    I’ll trust the U.S. government before I trust your Misogynist Rights Activist propaganda.

  49. Christina79, you are quoting federal statistics definitions, which is not the same thing as a law. Surely even in the U.K. there is a difference between law enforcement and number crunching.

    Of course, when making excuses for rapists who share your gender, no amount of smoke and mirrors is likely to be too much.

    The vast majority of rapes in the United States are prosecuted based on laws enacted at the state, not federal level. Sorry. Wrong again. Definitions for the FEDERAL Department of Justice do not dictate local prosecutions based on LOCAL laws. Trust who you want. Fortunately, the Department of Justice is not a Monarchy that can impose its definition on all 300 million of us.

    You seem to have a problem discerning the difference between number crunching and law enforcement.

    It was a valiant attempt though.

  50. A quick example from the Commonwealth of Virginia (or, an actual law):

    Code 18.2-61 Rape
    If any person has sexual intercourse with a complaining witness who is not his or her spouse or causes a complaining witness, whether or not his or her spouse, to engage in sexual intercourse with any other person and such act is accomplished (i) against the complaining witness’s will, by force, threat, or intimidation of or against the complaining witness or another person, or (ii) through the use of the complaining witness’s mental incapacity or physical helplessness, or (iii) with a child under age thirteen as the victim, he or she shall be guilty of rape.

    Guess what that means? A woman can be found guilty of raping a man in Virginia. There is no subsection protecting her based on genitalia.

    Sorry.

  51. An example from the State of New York (again, an actual law):

    §130.35 Rape in the first degree.
    A person is guilty of rape in the first degree when he or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person:
    By forcible compulsion; or
    Who is incapable of consent by reason of being physically helpless; or
    Who is less than eleven years old; or
    Who is less than thirteen years old and the actor is eighteen years old or more.

    Guess what? You guessed it, a woman can indeed be prosecuted for raping a man in NY State. Again, no reference to genitalia and no special gender protections to allow women to rape men.

    Sorry (again).

  52. Hmm, even in the State of California we have rape laws that allow women to prosecuted for raping men:

    California Penal Code 261 269

    261. (a) Rape is an act of sexual intercourse accomplished with a
    person not the spouse of the perpetrator, under any of the following
    circumstances:
    (1) Where a person is incapable, because of a mental disorder or
    developmental or physical disability, of giving legal consent, and
    this is known or reasonably should be known to the person committing
    the act. Notwithstanding the existence of a conservatorship pursuant
    to the provisions of the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act (Part 1
    (commencing with Section 5000) of Division 5 of the Welfare and
    Institutions Code), the prosecuting attorney shall prove, as an
    element of the crime, that a mental disorder or developmental or
    physical disability rendered the alleged victim incapable of giving
    consent.
    (2) Where it is accomplished against a person’s will by means of
    force, violence, duress, menace, or fear of immediate and unlawful
    bodily injury on the person or another.
    (3) Where a person is prevented from resisting by any intoxicating
    or anesthetic substance, or any controlled substance, and this
    condition was known, or reasonably should have been known by the
    accused.
    (4) Where a person is at the time unconscious of the nature of the
    act, and this is known to the accused. As used in this paragraph,
    “unconscious of the nature of the act” means incapable of resisting
    because the victim meets one of the following conditions:
    (A) Was unconscious or asleep.
    (B) Was not aware, knowing, perceiving, or cognizant that the act
    occurred.
    (C) Was not aware, knowing, perceiving, or cognizant of the
    essential characteristics of the act due to the perpetrator’s fraud
    in fact.
    (D) Was not aware, knowing, perceiving, or cognizant of the
    essential characteristics of the act due to the perpetrator’s
    fraudulent representation that the sexual penetration served a
    professional purpose when it served no professional purpose.
    (5) Where a person submits under the belief that the person
    committing the act is the victim’s spouse, and this belief is induced
    by any artifice, pretense, or concealment practiced by the accused,
    with intent to induce the belief.
    (6) Where the act is accomplished against the victim’s will by
    threatening to retaliate in the future against the victim or any
    other person, and there is a reasonable possibility that the
    perpetrator will execute the threat. As used in this paragraph,
    “threatening to retaliate” means a threat to kidnap or falsely
    imprison, or to inflict extreme pain, serious bodily injury, or
    death.
    (7) Where the act is accomplished against the victim’s will by
    threatening to use the authority of a public official to incarcerate,
    arrest, or deport the victim or another, and the victim has a
    reasonable belief that the perpetrator is a public official. As used
    in this paragraph, “public official” means a person employed by a
    governmental agency who has the authority, as part of that position,
    to incarcerate, arrest, or deport another. The perpetrator does not
    actually have to be a public official.
    (b) As used in this section, “duress” means a direct or implied
    threat of force, violence, danger, or retribution sufficient to
    coerce a reasonable person of ordinary susceptibilities to perform an
    act which otherwise would not have been performed, or acquiesce in
    an act to which one otherwise would not have submitted. The total
    circumstances, including the age of the victim, and his or her
    relationship to the defendant, are factors to consider in appraising
    the existence of duress.
    (c) As used in this section, “menace” means any threat,
    declaration, or act which shows an intention to inflict an injury
    upon another.

    —————————————————————-

    I can go on all day if need be, but I think the point has been made more than sufficiently. The laws of the individual United States (of which there is no national rape law) disagree with your desire to defend female rapists from prosecution. Do you know a female rapist? Why the rabid defense of female rapists and mockery of male survivors? Are you a rapist yourself?

    I only ask because the anger and outright victim-blaming you presented earlier seemed to tip your hand a little.

  53. You really think that? Lets go through it state by state.

    North Dakota: “an event that occurred without the girl or woman’s consent that involved the use of force or threat of force, and that involved sexual penetration of the victim’s
    vagina, mouth, or rectum.” (The definition used by the U.S. Justice Department and the majority of the country)

    Illinois: “the forceful penetration of an orifice with the penis or objects,”

    New York: “1-(1) A person (A) commits an offense if—

    (a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
    (b) B does not consent to the penetration, and
    (c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents.”(Also note the gender the perpetrator has to be)

    California: “rape” as nonconsensual intercourse accomplished by means of threats, force, or fraud.”(Theres one state for you so far)

    Florida: Once again requires the perpetrator to penetrate.

    South Dakota: requires the perpetrator to penetrate.

    Texas: requires the perpetrator to penetrate.

    Actually it would be much easier to list the states that don’t explicitly state that the perpetrator has to be male or requires penetration. They go as follows:

    California,
    Colorado,
    Oregon,
    Utah,
    Ohio,

    Thats it. Just those five out of fifty states. What you’re forgetting is that the word rape originated as “forced, nonconsenting sex against a women by a man” and is still the most excepted definition until Misogynist Rights Activists tried to take the word and apply it to forced nonconsenting sex against a man by a women”.

    Does it happen to men by women? Yes, but no where near the numbers of when it happens to women. Is it rape? No. Rape is gender specific as male perpetrated. What is it? Well I couldn’t tell you. I suppose there isn’t a word for the distaff counterpart for rape. Why don’t you just go invent it yourselves if its this big of deal to you? All you’re doing is skewing the numbers of actual rapes when you try to bring male victims and women perpetrators into the equation.

  54. @Christina:

    Its a simple fact that women cannot rape men with vaginal intercourse no matter how much you kick and scream for mommy government to change the definition of the word for you.

    And the laws will be changed, as they have been, leaving abusers nowhere to hide.

    “Bad Girl. Bad Girl. Whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when we come for you?”

  55. I wonder why I am debating with a rape apologist like you Christina, especially whose tone and arguments are as are arrogant, insolent and dishonest as yours, but here goes.

    Perhaps you can understand why statistics recording reports of rapes from local jurisdictions might not give anything like a valid picture of the incidence of rape of male victims. Could it be because victims don’t come forward, as feminists always allege is the case with female victims? Could it be that police departments don’t take these reports seriously, as feminists allege is the case with female rape victims, and then do not report them to the FBI for compilation. You don’t have a clue about that, do you?

    C*tina, someone like you should be careful in impugning someone else’s education, who doesn’t know the diffenrece betweemn a legfal defination and one used by some agency in gathering statistics:

    “This just shows how uneducated you are on the matter. Most educated nations use this definition, not just Britain(Though I was unaware they used it as well.) ”

    What is the law in Germany, Sweden, China, Japan and countries like those? Or are they not “educated” enough for you?

    “I’ll trust the U.S. government before I trust your Misogynist Rights Activist propaganda.”

    Oh, waaaaah – she throws the M-word around. That’s just such a damning thing to say about someone. You think your RAPE APOLOGIST propaganda is trustworthy?

    Listen, C*tina, you are talking to two people on this board who were RAPED BY WOMEN as children. That is what oyu are defending. And you are talking to someone else who was raped as a man by a women who could do it because she knew she could get the full weight of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to punish him if he resisted. That is what you are defending. And you minimize that with sophistries and lies. You defend it. You are vile and despicable. You are a moral cripple.

  56. Wow – so you really can’t read. Actually, in New York unwanted sexual intercourse does not have to involve penetration of the male just that penetration be involved. The penetration can be forced on the male by a female. The language is clearly written in such a manner as to allow for either. Further, there are other forms of sexual violence that expose women to criminal charges as well:

    §130.20 Sexual misconduct.
    A person is guilty of sexual misconduct when:
    He or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person without such person’s consent; or
    He or she engages in oral sexual conduct or anal sexual conduct with another person without such person’s consent; or (Eff.11/1/03,Ch.264,L.2003)
    He or she engages in sexual conduct with an animal or a dead human body.

    Note the “he or she” involved. You presented text that only contained the word “he’. The New York Penal Code is very clear in the constant use of “he or she” through the sexual violence code.

    Clearly, you are using source that is not the NY Penal Code, which calls the integrity of your information into question.

    Apparently, you are reading some strange, sanitized version of NY State Code or have just changed the language of the law to fit your argument or lifted from another rape apologist.

    I’d be happy to go state by state and show your cherry-picked arguments which, like your NY reference, was either taken out of context or outright changed altogether.

  57. For the record, North Dakota does not have a rape statute. It has a sexual assault statute, and it reads:

    “Sexual act” means sexual contact between human beings consisting of contact between the penis and the vulva, the penis and the anus, the mouth and the penis, the mouth and the vulva, or any other portion of the human body and the penis, anus, or vulva; or the use of an object which comes in contact with the victim’s anus, vulva, or penis. For the purposes of this subsection, sexual contact between the penis and the vulva, the penis and the anus, any other portion of the human body and the anus or vulva, or an object and the anus, vulva, or penis of the victim, occurs upon penetration, however slight. Emission is not required.

    That statute acknowledges women as potential sex offenders. So does New York, Florida, South Dakota, and Texas. There is a list of the existing statutes for all fifty states. I encourage you to check each statute individually and read them carefully. The language of the majority of the statutes includes women as potential rapists and sex offenders.

    I understand that as a feminist it necessary for you to frame rape as something only men do to only women. I also understand that as a feminist it is necessary for you to deny the prevalence female-perpetrated rape in order to bolster feminist theories about “rape culture.” That does not change that plenty of recent studies demonstrate that women commit more rape and sexual violence than people wish to acknowledge. It also does not change that most states will charge women with whatever sex offence statute the state uses regardless of the wording of the statute.

    As for skewing the numbers of actual rapes, that is what feminists like yourself do when they deny the existence of male rape victims and female rapists.

  58. Christina97,

    Either you are doing this to rally people up and get a response like all who intrude in safe spaces to get their rocks off, or you truly do believe what you say and are coming to a safe space to preach your opinion regardless of how one-sided it is.

    Whatever motivates you to dismiss the grievences of genuine victims of rape and assault from women, let’s hope you realize how inconsiderate and insensitive you are barging in here, guns ablazing, and invalidating everyone who have been through some really bad experiences. Including me.

    It’s feminists like you that lend credence to the belife that strands of feminism have their vile, grotesque ideologues like yourself who can get away with saying serious stuff.

    Well, I’m not going to let you.

    I’m a survivor of female abuse in my youth. Nothing sexual, mind you. But they were no different from the men they loved to put down underneath their caring exterior.

    “Misogynast Rights Advocates”. That’s the best you can do? You’ve had all this time to sting, and the best you come up with is “Misogynast Rights Advocates”.

    You know what…no. I’m through sinking to your level. But let me tell you, you’ve no right to call yourself a feminist with how you’ve conducted yourself.

  59. Christina97, I am inclined to agree with Eagle. What is your purpose here? This blog is dedicated primarily to addressing sexual violence against boys and men. Many of those who comment here were raped. Your comments not only disregard those men’s experiences, but also come across as a deliberate attempt to provoke and trigger any male victims posting here.

    That is not something I will allow, so if you are here just to berate men who have been raped I would suggest you occupy yourself somewhere else.

  60. Word play. Whether or not it is called Rape, Sexual Assault, Sexual Imposition, or something else the point is that arguing over a title is misleading and makes it seem as if somehow calling it “rape” makes it worse than if it is called sexual assault.

    One thing you are pretty much right about is that the laws written for the term “rape” very much used to be describing a male offender and a female victim exclusively. That in no way means that females did not rape other people. It still skews the data that you try and quote for rape statistics and by ONLY using the word “rape” and ignoring all the other sexual assaults stats you are purposely trying to mislead.

    For example in one state they have this definition for their crimes data collection and reports:

    FORCIBLE RAPE = The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will. Assaults or attempts to commit rape by force are included here; however, statutory rape (without force) and other sex offenses are not included. (this is also the FBI’s uniform crime reporting definition last I checked)

    If you truly feel the way you express about this issue that is really sad because all you are doing is being a part of the problem. What about women who commit “rape” against other women? I guess by your definition it can’t be “rape” right?

    When you said:

    “Does it happen to men by women? Yes, but no where near the numbers of when it happens to women.”

    First off how do you know? Show me the proof? I will agree that sexual assault is committed by more males than females and possibly it happens to more females than males but how do you know it is “no where near the numbers”? Sexual abuse is very much under reported and when a female is the perpetrator it is potentially one of the most under reported offenses period. In more than a few cases the reporting rate has been less than 1%.

    I would also point out this from the US Bureau of Justice Statistics page on Rape and Sexual Assult (bottom of the page):

    Rape
    Forced sexual intercourse including both psychological coercion as well as physical force. Forced sexual intercourse means vaginal, anal or oral penetration by the offender (s). This category also includes incidents where the penetration is from a foreign object such as a bottle. Includes attempted rapes, male as well as female victims, and both heterosexual and homosexual rape. Attempted rape includes verbal threats of rape. – http://tinyurl.com/24dtu42

    Notice how that is current as of 5/3/2010. And since you want to quote, use, and say you trust the U.S. Government I guess you have to trust their definition above then right?

    And just to fuel the fire a bit more how about this from the place you claim you got your definition from. The U.S. Department of Justice website and it is dated November 13, 2009 – http://tinyurl.com/26urvos

    The term “sexual violence” refers to a specific constellation of crimes including sexual harassment, sexual assault, and rape. The perpetrator may be a stranger, acquaintance, friend, family member, or intimate partner. Researchers, practitioners, and policymakers agree that all forms of sexual violence harm the individual, the family unit, and society and that much work remains to be done to enhance the criminal justice response to these crimes.

    Rape definitions vary by State and in response to legislative advocacy. Most statutes currently define rape as nonconsensual oral, anal, or vaginal penetration of the victim by body parts or objects using force, threats of bodily harm, or by taking advantage of a victim who is incapacitated or otherwise incapable of giving consent. Incapacitation may include mental or cognitive disability, self-induced or forced intoxication, status as minor, or any other condition defined by law that voids an individual’s ability to give consent.

    So please do continue to try and dwell in the past; continue to be part of the problem; continue to try and not help everyone who may be a victim of sexual abuse.

    When you said:

    “and shouldn’t be given any attention until the problem is reduced to near even levels, if it should ever be addressed at all”

    Pretty much speaks for itself and demonstrates that you are part of the problem. And this comment:

    “Its a victimless crime really. Men do not suffer the same emotional trauma from a forced sexual encounter as women do.”

    I ask for proof. Research shows otherwise. So show me some proof or I assume you are just having a bit of fun (sick, morbid fun) at others expense with your comments. Same goes for this comment:

    “(They don’t possess the same emotional depth as women.)”

    Research says otherwise. And lastly this comment by you really sums up what you really are about with the posting:

    “Men who were raped(LOL) should count their blessings and be grateful since its more than they deserved.”

  61. My apologies to TS for this little rant I am on. Here is something from the National Center for Victims of Crimes about male rape specifically:

    In 2003, one in every ten rape victims was male. While there are no reliable annual surveys of sexual assaults on children, the Justice Department has estimated that one of six victims are under age 12 (National Crime Victimization Study, 2003). (notice the study is done by the same U.S. Government)

    Society is becoming increasingly aware of male rape. However, experts believe that current male rape statistics vastly under-represent the actual number of males age 12 and over who are raped each year. Rape crisis counselors estimate that while only one in 50 raped women report the crime to the police, the rates of under-reporting among men are even higher

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  63. ” until Misogynist Rights Activists ”

    Toy Soldier, can you please moderate this dishonest and tendentious mischaracterization out of this and her other posts? Thanks.

  64. TS, you may want to consider publishing and sharing this rape apologist’s IP to the rape surivor and rape advocacy community. She is in effect a co-rapist, coming here to feed on rape victims’ pain. Someone in the community may want to make the effort of tracking the IP back to her identity and publishing that. Think of the harm she may already be doing. She may in fact work in a rape center – what if some kid wanders in there and is subjected to this kind of thing?

  65. “I suppose there isn’t a word for the distaff counterpart for rape. Why don’t you just go invent it yourselves if its this big of deal to you?”

    You don’t own the language, little girl. Now I see what the 79 means. Sheesh, to think we have been wasting time on someone so meaningless. A 21 year old girl. For Christ’s sake!

    Let us not resort to Christiana’s tactics, okay? – TS

  66. Jim, I will not publish anyone’s IP address. If she made a threat against someone or suggested in any way that she would harm someone I would publish it. At the moment, she is just being a nuisance. While her comments are likely intended to hurt male victims, I look at this as an opportunity to challenge her sort of thinking. Several people have posted great information debunking feminist misinformation about sexual violence. Let her come and make inaccurate claims. It will only demonstrate how skewed feminist thinking is.

  67. Christina79:

    “What you’re forgetting is that the word rape originated as “forced, nonconsenting sex against a women by a man” and is still the most excepted definition until Misogynist Rights Activists tried to take the word and apply it to forced nonconsenting sex against a man by a women.'”

    rape (v.)
    late 14c., “seize prey, take by force,” from Anglo-Fr. raper “to seize, abduct,” a legal term, probably from L. rapere “seize, carry off by force, abduct” (see rapid). Latin rapere was used for “sexual violation,” but only very rarely; the usual Latin word being stuprum, lit. “disgrace.” Sense of “sexual violation or ravishing of a woman” first recorded in English as a noun, late 15c. (the noun sense of “taking anything — including a woman — away by force” is from c.1400). The verb in this sense is from 1570s. Related: Raped; raping. Uncertain connection to Low Ger. and Du. rapen in the same sense. Rapist is from 1883.

    source: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=rape

    So no, it didn’t really originate the way you claim.

  68. Interesting, in the State of New York, a woman was charged AND convicted of raping a male, and sodomy was not involved, contrary to the assertions of a certain rape apologist:

    http://www.lexisone.com/lx1/caselaw/freecaselaw?action=OCLGetCaseDetail&format=FULL&sourceID=bcfbd&searchTerm=eWbH.XKWa.UYGW.Udie&searchFlag=y&l1loc=FCLOW

    If that link doesn’t work, just search for “Morgan R. Crawson” (defendant)

    It is fascinating to me how the State of New York can convict a woman of rape, when we have been repeatedly told it cannot happen and were even presented with some language supporting same that is not even present in the actual Code.

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