I never cease to be amazed by Manboobz regulars’ ability to make complete fools of themselves. Ersatzmoons provided a great example of this. In an attempt to counter Nephrite’s criticism of feminism, erastzmoons wrote:
Feminist lying about Male Victims – you’re actually using an article, based off Manboobz commenters and troll, Anthony Zarat, had here as proof.
Zarat told his story about being raped at 13 by a woman who was then sentenced for 30 years. Seeing as Zarat is a familiar troll and has a history of commenting, many regulars have doubts about his actual life.
Yes, of course. People with a history of writing comments you disagree with are obviously liars.
When Brandon’s girlfriend Ashley “posted” about how glad she was that he got put on moderation, because now they have more fun times, many commenters were skeptical.
Who is Brandon and what does he have to do with Anthony Zarat?
Similarly, because you troll, many commenters originally believed you were MRAL or other trolls because of your argument style.
Right… that makes no sense, but flawed logic does not stop ersatz:
See, how that works? Trolls aren’t 100% honest in how they argue and what they tell, so people don’t believe them 100% of the time.
And who determines whether someone is honest in how they argue or what they tell? Instead of making any logical sense, ersatz essentially claims that because the Manbooberz do not like “trolls” (i.e. anyone who disagrees with them), those people must be lying.
Yet these are the same feminists who argue that rape victims should always be believed. Apparently there is an exception to this rule, and it happens to be any male victim who says something those feminists do not like. Those “victims” do not have to be believed.
It really does not help to defend feminists calling male victims liars. Trying to spin is as “See, he’s a liar because he’s a troll” helps about as much as saying a woman lied about rape because of how she is a “slut.” Even if that woman were the scuzziest of sluts, she should still be a rape victim. A person can be a “troll” and still be a rape victim. They can argue in the most dishonest ways and still be a rape victim. And one can dislike or hate someone who says something you do not like, and that person can still be a rape victim.
No matter how much ersatz tries, in the end what we see is a half-assed, rapist apologist defense of accusing a rape victim of lying because of his sex and his political views. That truly does not help prove that feminists on Manboobz did not call a male victim a liar.
Erstaz tried to work around this by writing:
Myoo said that rapists, who rape children, should receive more than 1-3 years in prison. Male children were included in that defensive, BTW.
Yes, although it is somewhat negated by calling one of those victims a “fucker” for supporting short sentences. I do not agree with Anthony’s idea either, yet I do not feel the need to insult him.
Dracula defended male victims, “Wow Zarat, you really don’t give a fuck about men or boys at all do you? You just called a 30-year-old who raped a 13-year-old a “victim”. How you do sleep at night?”
That was not a defense of male victims. That was an attack on a male victim. It was specifically an accusation that a man who says he was abused as a child does not “give a fuck about men or boys” because he favors shorter sentences for sex offenders.
Happy and Pecuinium were skeptical about his alleged experience, because, HEY, he’s a troll and he has lied and exaggerated before. The Toysoldier post doesn’t seem to cover that.
No, I am not going cover people’s moronic “he’s a lying liar who lies” claims, particularly since at least one of them is so inept and foolish that they cannot keep track of when they accuse of people of lying about their experiences. Pecunium claimed, “I didn’t say I didn’t believe Zarat’s report of his being abused (and the links Toysoldier makes don’t do that). I was dealing with other things about which he was either wrong, or has admitted to lying about.”
Except the links Toysoldier listed do just that:
Happy: I know I’m not talking to Anthony. I’m talking about thinks he says. He’s a lost cause. He admits to lying, thinks his wife needs to be replaced with a computer program; advocates dividing the world into two halves, the male half, and the female half (and thinks the Mississippi river is the middle of the world, and a convenient dividing line), that teaching children not to abuse people is the most horrific of civil rights violations and that rape is no big deal; even when it’s painfully traumatic.
That, or he lies about his experiences.
If you want to make fools out of yourselves, you are more than welcome to do so. However, if you want to prove that Manboobzers do support male victims, you are not helping your case by arguing that it is okay to call some male victims liars because you think they are trolls.