This what happens when people ignore women who express sexual interest in children:
A woman who was obsessed with Dublin pop sensation, Jedward, has been jailed for two years after she sexually abused two 14-year-old boys.
The woman groomed the two boys over social media before inviting both to her house in Dubdonald, South Ayshire in the UK.
She told the two boys that they could drink alcohol with her and watch films.
The abuser, Kirstin MacRuary, frequently posted on her Facebook page, prior to the abuse about her sexual fantasies involving Jedward.
Pictures of Jedward who are originally from Lucan, were posted on MacGuary’s Facebook page from when they were 12 years old, reports The Mirror UK .
One would think people would report such behavior, but it seems rather common for women to get a pass when they express sexual interest in child stars. This happened with Justin Bieber. Adult women openly talked about wanting to bed the then 14 year old teenage singer with little backlash. Reverse the situation, and everyone would call such a man a pervert and pedophile.
MacRuary showed no remorse for her actions despite pleading guilty to two counts of assaulting the two teen victims. She only received a sentence of two years. Her attorney argued that she needed supervision:
Defence solicitor Ian Gillies said: “It is safe to say in my submission that this lady clearly needs supervision at the higher end of the scale.
“It is clear that she needs some assistance. There are concerns about her mental health.”
Sheriff John Montgomery said he had no option but to jail her.
He expressed surprise that MacRuary showed no remorse, and the lack of remorse is apparently the reason he sentenced her to two consecutive years in jail. He also placed her on the sex offender registry.
As horrible as the lack of remorse sounds, MacRuary has little reason to feel sorry. She did not receive much of a punishment. The placement on the registry likely have little impact on her. Yet the best reason for her not to care is that no one else did prior to her arrest.
She openly expressed interest in barely pubescent twins with apparently no negative response. She posted pictures of them to no negative response. She possibly edited pictures of them to no negative response. Why then should she think anyone would care if she sought to actually have sex with boys when her fantasies got a pass?
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Mary Kay Letourneau always comes to mind. Barbara Walters exploitation of “relationship” seems tantamount to child exploitation. Sad to see Vili with the two old women today. He’s basically said it wouldn’t have happened if he had some guidance as a teen.
Not sure I would call it abuse.
Tom Arrow, Do you feel that way about Jerry Sandusky?
revspinnaker. Weirdly, no. Partly because the boy seems to have been only 12 years old instead of 14. I feel that this age difference is somewhat signfiicant. To elaborate, I once had a 14 year old male friend who told me that he had a sexual relationship with some rather old dude. He seemed to enjoy it.
It is difficult to make the distinction purely based on age, as the law does. But then, it is also problematic to make it on basis of feelings (whether they felt ‘comfortable’). I guess that starting at a certain age, I would simply ask whether there was serious coercion or force involved (threat of physical harm or severe shame / exclusion).
A thing that also does shape my opinion here is that it was a woman who slept with them. At 14 years of age, I feel a typical boy should be perfectly capable of fending off a woman, unless she is somehow trained. Once more, I would probably ask how much coercion was involved.
The oppressor-victim dichotomy may be clear in some cases and less clear in others, where this article, i am a big friend of each individual’s ability to make free choices and take responsibility for them. A boy that, without much coercion, agrees to a sexual relationship with an adult, is either really wanting it, or, is already a survivor of abuse, which would make him feel helpless to say no. But then, age really plays no role in that and 4 more years of age would change nothing about it. And then you would end up where feminism is: Denying people’s responsibility for their own choices, however shitty they are.
It’s like what I said last week under the post about the 15 year old girl raping several boys. Get some men to teach them a lesson. There are plenty who would.
That is entirely possible. This also happens with younger children. I know people who had sex with adults when they were still in single digits and they describe the situation as completely consensual. However, when we delve deeper into that person’s life, the situations turn out more complicated. In the case of your friend, I would wonder what his level of sexual interest was at the time. If he had a high libido at the time, it could be that he consciously wanted to have sex and that the older man noticed this and took advantage of his interest. That still makes the act wrong, despite that your friend essentially consented. That is because his consent was still manipulated. The man used his interest to get what he wanted.
That is not to say that there are not instances where the attraction is genuine and mutual and not exploitative. I simply do not know of many situations like that, and in the few instances I am aware of the adult was not predatory in their behavior. They treated it like an actual relationship, meaning that it was not primarily about sex. However, that appears to be most uncommon.
Control is not necessarily physical. We see this with boys all the time. How many times have you seen a boy half the size of another boy bully the bigger one into submission and make him do what the smaller wants? The bigger boy could crush him, yet that does not mean that he will or even has the temperament to do it. The same applies with women. There is also the added social element of boys being taught not to hit women. That plays a role in what a boy who feels threatened might do to a woman versus a man. We also have to factor in the social element of questions about the boy’s sexuality should he refuse the woman’s advances. She can easily call him gay and ruin him or accuse him of assaulting her.
No, River, that is the wrong way to approach the situation. You do not show that an act is bad by inflicting it on others.
‘That is because his consent was still manipulated. The man used his interest to get what he wanted.’
Well, that is a difficult dilemma. No doubt, this is not a perfect situation. But I feel that this is in a grey area not much can be done about without absolving people of all responsibility for their choices. By legistlating too deeply, you create a victimhood culture, where people care more about blaming and prosecuting than actual healing and taking responsibility. Note: Taking responsibility is different from self-blaming/victim-blaming, but I am sure you know that.
‘Control is not necessarily physical.’
Of course. I think i mentioned shame/guilt in my comment as a coercive method. But it has to be established whether this is something that was actually used.
I think that the kind of ‘manipulation’ you suggest is something that should not be criminalized. Not because it does not hurt the other person, but because such a law is easy to be abused with false-rape accusations.
While truth may be clear, determining truth is less so. Every involved party is capable of lying and manipulating.
Maybe it would be wise to come up with a law that – in cases that are not entirely clear – simply imposes a much reduced penalty?
One possible solution for the dilemma that has often crossed my mind is to give help to ‘abuse victims’ without requiring or enabling them to actually prosecute the attacker.
Like this: Victims do not have to prove they are victims and are automatically provided with help, empathy, understanding, etc. But, there is no prosecution or punishment for offenders.
Thus, there is little to no incentive for falsely claim rape, as all you get in return is the help you would really need as a rape survivor. On the other hand, if you have truly been raped, focusing on healing is the best thing anyway.
Our culture generally focuses too much on punishment I feel. I feel the appeal of revenge, but it may be a cultural thing. Aside from preventing further harm, punishment seems counter-productive, likely to exacerbate shame and guilt and fear, which further separates the individual from society, making them possibly more likely to reoffend.
Oh come on who on this thread would seriously care about females learning their lesson? It’s not like it’s an issue on here.
I’m glad safe spaces like this exist on the web. It’s about showing females who’s boss. Especially my favorite, silly little high school girls. Females have too much freedom in society.
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